Despite the imposition on the patience of my loyal readers. I would be DELIGHTED for the opportunity to discuss this particular paradox of philosophy with someone (anyone) other than Dr Andreassen. I will say only that he has no interest in this kind of conversation, and that his persistence puzzles me. I intend no further answers to him.
A reader with the explosive name of Plutonium writes in with a cogent and coherent argument in favor of materialism.
Let examine the propositions:
1. All non-agent physical systems are physically decomposable into particles.
If by non-agent physical systems you mean dead bodies in motion, things like stars and atoms and clocks; and if by ‘decomposable’ you mean the one thing can be described and defined entirely in terms of the other thing with nothing left over and nothing unexplained, then yes. I agree with this without reservation.
2. All non-agent particles(particles not in an agent system) interact with other particles in specific, deterministic(Only one outcome) fashions.
If by this, you mean that dead bodies in motion, things like stars and atoms and clocks, given the same initial positions and moved by the same external forces will end up in the same end position in two different trials, then yes. I agree without reservation.
“1 and 2 are just the normal ‘physics’ assumptions. Tell me if you think these are bad.”
No, I am happy to speak with someone who seems to know what the normal assumptions of physics are. If you start telling me that Newton can predict Newton’s thoughts with mechaNewton, and that normal physics can measure beauty and checkmate and the width of the imaginary line dividing the sea from the sky at the horizon, I will strangle myself with that imaginary line.
3. The physical component of an agent system is physically decomposable into the same particles as the non-agent case.
If we restrict our case to the physical components only, then yes, albeit obviously the deterministic element falls out of this equation at this point.
4. These particles obey the same rules in the non-agent case as in the agent case.
Concerning external forces acting on the living body if it happens to be case where the deliberate and the non-deliberate body would react the same way, then yes. Various chemical reactions, molecular actions, gross physical motions such as the speed with which a man falls off the Leaning Tower of Pisa versus a wax mannikin, yes, all these are the same.
This seems to imply materialism (or effective materialism) to me.
I do not see why. There is some unspoken assumption you are making that I am not, or visa versa. Let us see if we can discover what it is.
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